November 21, 2008

The Mid-Field Connundrum

Much has been made about England’s International football abilities over the last decade so and even more so now since they have strung together five successive wins. Fabio Cappello has instilled the discipline in his team that is often seen on his rather phlegmatic face. Probably Cappello has promised the FA to flash a smile on his face only after he gets England to WC 2010. Assessing England from the performances so far under ‘Don Fab’ they might as well end up being the first team to book their hotels in South Africa.

 The major difference between Cappello and his predecessors has been that Cappello is not afraid to give a kick up the butts to some of his so called ‘untouchables’. Under McLaren and Sven these untouchables were guaranteed a place in the side, all they just had to do was come out in public and support their manager. Fabio Cappello on the other hand has not only changed the team ethics but changed the way England plays its game. One can associate a more continental approach to their game now. It is in stark contrast to the huff-puff, end to end stuff seen in the EPL. They are more firm with the ball, they are decisive and they now believe in possession play.

 This brings us to the topic that I would like to discuss. England have a plethora of mid-fielders but the problem lies in selecting the most balance combination. Each of the mid fielders who are in contention of a starting berth such as Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Barry and Hargreaves are different from one another and different set of attributes to the team.

 While Gerrard comes across as the all action mid-fielder who can play anywhere across the mid-field , Lampard comes off as the more disciplined of the two and a promise of translating his goal scoring form for Chelsea onto the International stage.

Hargreaves is the no nonsense traditional style of central defensive mid-fielder who’ll get stuck in the tackles and will never give opponent players an ounce of space. But unfortunately for him and England he has had persistent injury problems. Hopefully the surgery on his knee which will keep him out of the entire season will come back a stronger player. Barry on the other hand is a different type of defensive mid-fielder who keeps things simple, he is more of an anchor man someone who doesn’t try to do anything flashy. He also possesses an excellent left foot and can bend a few.

 But one man whom I always thought of as the perfect mid-fielder for the International set up is Michael Carrick especially even more when Cappello wants one of his mid-fielders to slow down things and keep the ball moving in the mid-field. Carrick and Barry were excellent against Germany and England mid-field never looked so balanced.  The advantage and different set of skills that England will have when Carrick is on the pitch is that he is a naturally gifted passer , some one who has an eye for a pass and who can shift flanks with consummate ease. Carrick is not an all action mid- fielder like Gerrard , he is not a natural goal scorer like Lampard , he is not a ferocious tackler , but he offers something different from them. He provides an assured presence in the middle , someone who is very good in slowing down the tempo of the game and someone who has always been touted as a good reader of the game.

 The best Combination : I would personally pick Lampard and Carrick, Carrick for the above mentioned reasons and Lampard for his superior tactical sense than Gerrard. Gerrard is quick , direct but is not a natural playmaker and for me personally Lampard is better at dictating the tempo of the game better than Gerrard .

 I'm ending the post a little rather abruptly due to some issues at work and I would even incur the wrath from a few of you as some might accuse me of looking at things through my red tinted glasses but I would really like to hear about the mid-field combination that you would prefer.

 PS : Not that I care about England

 

17 comments:

DuffuTalks said...

it is quite an interesting combination - lampard and carrick

according to me barry is untouchable in the CDM role for england.

carrick may not be a better option when is marked by a very gud cdm.
when gerrard returns i think capello will give gerrard more attacking role and will let lampard control the game and he is better than carrick in this aspect.
I guess lampard and gerrard are more used to 4 3 3 than 4 4 2
where carrick comes into play.

Former blue is making a point with vey gud performances , right back place is definitely up for grab

RedViv said...

I dont think it can be said as a matter of fact that lampard controls the game better than Carrick , infact that is Carrick's forte. A team needs a centre mid - fielder to say in or around the circle , who can pick pass from the defence and control the proceedings , primarily a CAM might not be the best in that. Probably you havent seen much of Carrick last season.Moreover I believe Lampard is more lethal when his attacking instincts aren't curbed. Why would a CDM mark Carrick when he is playing along aside an attacking mid fielder ?

Lampard and Gerrard have a similar mind set , as in they both are comfortable taking runs into the box and when they are attacking . I dont think they can ever play in a 4-4-2.

Vivek aka Pisciotta said...

What do you mean Lampard is more disciplined than Gerrard? When did Lampard ever play the holding role or even track back in a Lampard-Gerrard midfield combination? And apart from an attacking midfielder's position, tell me one more position where Lampard can play?

Stevie and Carrick for me...

RedViv said...

I think you answered your own question partly.

Let me make it clear here . Calling spade a spade, am not a big supporter of Lampard , infact i rate Gerrard much higher than Lampard . And one thing you'll have to note here is I do so because as you said or suggested Gerrard is extremely versatile and can be effective anywhere on the pitch.

Now if you ask me why I picked Lampard over Gerrard is because I wanted a CAM who has some tactical sense. Not that Gerrard doesnt possess those but gerrard definitely falls behind Lampard when it comes to positioning. If you see the Liverpool matches he is often caught a little out of position when he is playing in a 4 man midfield. I probably think that is one reason why Benitez is reluctant to deploy him in a 4 man midfield because of his propensity to attack . People rave about how Gerrard rushes back and slides and gets in a tackle, probably he should have been there in the first place . To give you an analogy it is like Rio vs Carragher. The former doesnt slide for his life so much because he always positions himself in the right places to start with.

I picked Lampard over Gerrard because I was going for horses for courses . One needs to pick the right combination of the mid field and also Lampard is a much better goal scoring option than Gerrard.

I'm not advocating for Lampard here , but all I'm saying is I find him a better player than Stevie G to partner Carrick. If you had given me the option of choosing another name , I would say Scholes even in the middle of my worst nightmare. That man is class !!!.

Vivek aka Pisciotta said...

First things first. I'm supporter of Gerrard considering I'm a liverpool freak, but this is just a case of Gerrard vs Lampard.

Gerrard cannot play in a 4-4-2 and Lampard can? When was the last time Lampard played in a 4-4-2? (For Chelsea) When have Chelsea ever played a 4-4-2 with Lampard in the team?

Both of them will be vulnerable in a 4-4-2 considering their attacking nature. But play either of them in a 4-4-2 and I assure you, Gerrard will be more effective considering he can cover parts of the pitch Lampard would consider untouchable.

Lampard is a much better goal scoring option than Gerrard. I've to give you that one considering the number of deflections the ball takes before the ball eventually lands in the back of the net(somehow). I know you are going to say thats all that matters....

As for Rio vs Carra, you havent seen Rio sliding in cos the ball eventually lands up in the back of Van der sar's net when he does(Remember the own goal against Portsmouth 2 seasons back).

If I had the option of choosing another name, I would rather sleep and have a nightmare.

Btw I am Vivek (Tarun's friend) and not Tarun. I guess his pic at the top of my blog put you off. Sorry about that. Yet to customize my blog.

TT said...

When it comes to Gerrard vs Lampard, it's Gerrard for me anyday. He's a better shooter for sure (eliminating deflections), wins the ball more than lampard and finds torres more often than lampard finding drogba/anelka. Lampard was a hero of Chel$ki when it was Chelsea. But, he would've been playing for reserves if Deco and Ballack managed to be more fit than what they are now.
But when it comes to partnering carrick, I dont think even gerrard would be a good option. With gerrard arnd, you need a very defensive mid-fielder arnd...like Mascherano in Pool. I dont see carrick being so defensive. And I being an anti-fan of Lampard, I wouldn't pick him either. I'd rather pick someone worse than Eboue instead of Lampard !!

RedViv said...

Did I say Gerrard cannot play in a 4-4-2 , I distinctly remember not saying that. All i did say is if I want a player to partner Carrick in the centre I would pick Lampard . I think you need to understand that this is not a debate between Gerrard and Lampard . It is the one who can partner Carrick better. I picked Lampard for his better positional sense. The evidence to support that would be , if you saw some of the matches played at Kop ,when Gerrard played in a 4 man mid , he used to get caught out of position a few times. Well considering you are a Pool fan it would be a herculean task for me to convince you about that. The same would apply to me if you are cynical about Scholes. But the Ginger Ninja is class , i think any neutral fan will attest that.

Secondly you can count on me as well to join the 'mock Lamparding goal' club. But i do think he gets into better positions. I'm not usually a man of stats but i think Lampard had the most shots/game ratio after Ronaldo and Torres ast season.

Well if your talking about Rio's own goal against Pompey , I would be extremely glad and spewing with hatred at the same time if I can remind you that your dearest Cara has scored more goals for United than for you in the last ten years. I also hope you know the fact that Jamie'Oh! I love SAF' Carragher has put the ball at the back of your net more times than he has done at the other end.

Btw we haven't had a liverpool fan on this site for some time. So I would be glad to give you an author status if you can get us some articles here as well. I was certainly put off seeing tarun's pic there and the blog called Kop End !! .
Anyway welcome to the blog.

Vivek aka Pisciotta said...

You talk about Lampard's positioning in a 4-4-2 when he has hardly played in a 4-4-2. Except for England and that doesnt count.

I am a pool fan but i wont disagree with the fact that Gerrard's been caught out of position a few times in a 4-4-2. But you always see him get back and make an attempt at winning the ball back and he succeeds more often than not. Lampard on the other hand stands like a statue if he's caught out of position even in a 4-3-3 or a 4-1-4-1.

Coming to Scholesy, he is class maybe. But having said that,a successful tackle by him is a collector's item.

Rio vs Carra Part 4 : I dont think the defenders are being paid to score goals. So thats not a point to debate on. On the other hand, defending - Thats a whole different story. How many times has Rio made an error only for his ever so dependable partner Vidic to dig him out of trouble. Carra may have scored more own goals but he's saved a lot more than Rio can even dream of. The fact that Liverpool's conceded fewer goals than United in the last 4 years(thats all I could dig into history at the moment) speaks for itself.
(Dont compare the goals scored, this is only abt Rio vs Carra).

mavevik said...

Well I think you are just assuming that Rio has been saved by Vidic many times , but i beg to differ on that. A guy who watches every minute United play will tell you that infact it has been the other way round many times. A defensive partnership is not made of one man . It takes two for a tango. Vidic has been excellent but he wouldnt have been able to replicate that form without the services of Rio alongside him. Even Vidic accepts that. Rio stands out for other qualities as well. He probably is the best in the business in terms of getting the ball out the defence line. Can you say the same about Terry or Carragher. It makes a huge difference when the team is trying to play football rather than hoofing long balls. Why do you think Carvalho is so rated , he doesnt get stuck in a tackle like terry , he does what Rio does in that defence line.

Well when it comes to Rio not saving many goals I dont know how one can make such a statement quantitatively. But when i see United matches , all i see his positioning is first class. Liverpool conceding lesser goals might also be because that has been their game plan : score a goal and shut up shop in front of the goa

Goals from any player in the team is an added bonus . Just like attackers being the first line of defence.

Btw would get busy for a day or two , will continue it later.

Rahul said...

A pool fan advocating for Gerrard ahead of Lampard and a Manu fan shunting both of them in the back burner to make Carrick his first choice in midfield come hardly as a surprise. And whats to follow should not be either...

I agree with Vivek that Lampard has more tactical sense and greater positional awareness that Stevie Me. Latter, however, is a more headless chicken type of player who runs and runs and lunges when he can, every team needs one headless chicken. And truly speaking I don't rate Carrick to be a good first choice for a Pirlo role (I guess thats what you are talking about here). I would rather have a semi fit Hargreaves or if not then Barry.

For those who are taking a dig at Lampard's goal scoring exploits, dont go any farther than this season itself and see who has more goals(without a single deflection that is) and some seriously spectacular goals. And to suggest that goal scoring is the only virtue Lampard brings to a team is ridiculous.(Sir Alex, by the way, would happily settle for just that as his midfield simply dont score enough goals). See how many times he's been the most valuable player on the pitch this season even when he hasn't scored goals.

I would suggest people to watch more Chelsea matches to form an opinion rather than just picking up some lines from football websites and forums to blurt them whenever a topic comes up.

Vivek aka Pisciotta said...

@mavevik

Agreed it would take take to tango. In that case there shouldnt be a Rio vs Carra in the first place.

@Rahul

"For those who are taking a dig at Lampard's goal scoring exploits, dont go any farther than this season itself and see who has more goals(without a single deflection that is) and some seriously spectacular goals."

Dont go any farther than this season? This might be the only season where there has been no deflected goals by Lampard. SO FAR.
I consider it highly naive to talk about the goal scoring exploits of Lampard based on this season alone.

"I would suggest people to watch more Chelsea matches to form an opinion rather than just picking up some lines from football websites and forums to blurt them whenever a topic comes up."

I think you have started watching football only this season considering the "dont go any farther than this season itself".

Vivek aka Pisciotta said...

* @mavevik

Agreed it would take two to tango. In that case there shouldnt be a Rio vs Carra in the first place.

My apologies...

Rahul said...

I consider it highly naive to talk about the goal scoring exploits of Lampard based on this season alone.

You hit the nail on the head mate. You should look up his record for past half or so decade.

Rahul said...

I think you have started watching football only this season considering the "dont go any farther than this season itself".

I guess you need some english lessons.

As far as when I started watching football is concerned, it's surely before 2005, when I'm guessing you started.

DuffuTalks said...

dude rahul we have started watching footer in 2004 aint it?

u claimed to have watched it during ur high school days well
of course on th pretext of watching footer u were upto some shady stuff

Rahul said...

You are right...it was a pretext for watching some shady stuff on TB6, PTP et al but glad I ended up watching a lot of footie too...

DuffuTalks said...

This post is not intented at all those lampard bashers and gerrard fans but to enlighten ypu guys with few details.

I will sound a little bit technical with stats as supporting facts of my logic.
statistics suggest that lampard s passing sucess has always been greater than that of gerrard.I would like to stress two subsequent theories supporting these , one is that lampard obviously is tactically disciplined therby compromises ( a very little ) on creating opportunities.In other words sometimes he plays safe which
results in higher succes in passing compared to gerrard.now the question is will that make gerrard more creative , I dont think so, its well known undeniable fact that lampard has been main source of goals let it be scoring , creating or for that matter making crucial contribution for a goal.
He always tops the charts at end of the season.
Now if you look at their trophy cabinets gerrard can never be considered a legend if he fails to win EPL and in lampards case the UCL.

its naive to claim lampard will be rotting in reserves if deco and ballack are fit.Ballack seldom overshadowed lampard in past 2 seasons and in the presence of deco lampard seems to have improved a lot in ripe age of 30.

Speaking of Gerrard's strength ..o ya versatility it is obvious that capello will play either joe cole or swp or or walcott on the wings depending on their availablity.i consider them to be better than gerrard in their natural positions.

"Tactical nous" as been the word of this discussion.To give some insights one does not remember eyecatching tackles or dives(:P)that lampard has in his repertoire.His positioning and consistency are his key attributes i.e he closes down an opponent works tirelessly(he runs way more than 10km per match a typical figure for any world class mid fielder)
Let me end this gerrards strengths
to name some he has better leadership qualities,heading ability( lampard has 3 headed goals this season),always had worser teammates (:D).